Posts Tagged ‘zillow’

Curious search terms…

September 24th, 2009

What follows is a list of search terms that people typed into google with the result of eventually finding my website.  My assumption is these are questions that need answered.  So here’s my thoughts…

  • Accuracy of zillow estimates – I answered this here.  The short answer is, not very accurate, as Zillow’s own data demonstrate.
  • Are recording fees junk – Not really.  The deed of trust has to be recorded, the county clerk charges for this service, and so it’s a legitimate cost.  The next thought is, “should the lender pay it?”  The answer is, “It doesn’t matter.”  The lender never has any source of funds other than the consumer, and so if the lender pays then the consumer will be paying as well.  In the Denver region, recording fees are charged at $5.00 per page, plus a $1.00 surcharge.  So a 12 page document will cost, $61.00.
  • Average Credit Appraisal Fee – This search, or some form of it, comes up quite often.  There’s two questions here.  First, the average appraisal runs around $350.00.  The average credit report fee runs about $18.00 for a single person, or $32.00 for a couple.  See here for our current averages.
  • Closing cost amount to refinance my residence – Good question. First, are we talking gross or net?  In any transaction the gross amount runs from about $3,500 to $6,000, depending on loan amount.  Our typical costs are $4,000 regardless of loan amount.  That’s just our niche.  The net amount will be reflected in an increase to loan size, or the payment of costs via premium pricing (higher interest rate than what’s available).
  • Is the yield spread included in the apr – Yes.  Yield spread is paid based upon the rate above the par rate.  For example: if the par rate is 5%, and the loan is written at 5.25% then there is a premium that will be paid.  That premium is reflected in the APR that has the starting point of 5.25%.
  • refinance junk processing fee – The processing fee is junk.  It can be avoided.  Some company’s may use outside processing and so it’s a legitimate cost, but it should be absorbed by a reduction in yield spread or origination fee.  If it isn’t then it’s pure junk.
  • tax stamp junk fee – Nope.  Tax stamps are a tax paid to the state or local government in property transactions.  Now it may be junk as far as what the county charges, but the parties to the real estate transaction have no choice about it.  Just like paying sales tax on a latte.  It’s required, it could be absorbed either way, but absorption does not save consumers a dime.

Data Coverage and Zestimate Accuracy – Zillow

September 10th, 2009

via Data Coverage and Zestimate Accuracy – Zillow.

Oy!  Good information is hard to come by.  That’s why zillow holds so much promise.  Alas, Zillow comes up very short.

I have a client that would like to refinance.  The current rate is 6.375%, the rate that we want is 5.25%, which works beautifully today.  The only remaining question is, will the property appraise?

Let’s turn to zillow to find out.  We type in the address an zillow gives us their zestimate of $332,000 down from the $337,000 that the property was purchased for, but still high enough for the deal to work.

Just to make sure we look at the properties zillow used as an input.  This is where things get messy.  Appraisers are limited to using recent sales.  The sales zillow includes are over a year old.

Appraisers must also use the same subdivision.   Zillow gives us properties well outside the subdivision.

Now the appraiser has discretion, not much these days, to step outside these bounds, but zillow turns the discretion into a rule.  The zestimate is, as a result, useless.

Zillow is aware of their limitations.  They publish a chart of how good their zestimates are.   Zillows chart shows us that within the Denver region the zillow zestimate is within 5% of the eventual sale price 30% of the time.

What does that mean?  It means that there is a 30% chance that this property that needs to appraise for no less than $337,000 is somewhere between $320,200 and $353,800.   Five-percent accuracy isn’t very accurate.  Five-percent accuracy only 30% of the time is beyond hand grenade range.

Zillow has such promise.  I was at a convention six months prior to zillow’s launch where Rich Barton coyly spoke of his creation.   He was onto something, but several years later they are still not very close.

They do get traffic though, and are probably profitable as  a result.  At this juncture I’m wondering if zillow has simply decided that, that is good enough.

Don’t even get me started on their mortgage efforts, which is still a bait-and-switch frenzy.